tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2978485750390455025.post5539183435704630007..comments2023-05-25T07:17:05.918-04:00Comments on Abide in My Word: "Fuller churches make for fuller churches"Rev. Thomas C. Messer, SSPhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13740553600700598394noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2978485750390455025.post-15026338883306769532010-03-26T22:53:25.345-04:002010-03-26T22:53:25.345-04:00Fasten your seat belts, it's gonna be a bumpy ...Fasten your seat belts, it's gonna be a bumpy ride.IggyAntiochushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04448305182789845259noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2978485750390455025.post-88631952664292158192010-03-26T22:49:40.828-04:002010-03-26T22:49:40.828-04:00Scott (and Iggy),
My pastor of old is good friend...Scott (and Iggy),<br /><br />My pastor of old is good friends and of like mind with the author of that book - there is a scary amount of men holding leadership positions in our synod today, whose names I knew long before they became "famous."Rev. Thomas C. Messer, SSPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13740553600700598394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2978485750390455025.post-18204485885199803462010-03-26T22:38:37.825-04:002010-03-26T22:38:37.825-04:00I think something like that woke up in a "gia...I think something like that woke up in a "giant" book somewhere.IggyAntiochushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04448305182789845259noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2978485750390455025.post-74227220089606488492010-03-26T22:33:31.149-04:002010-03-26T22:33:31.149-04:00"He still considered himself a Lutheran becau..."He still considered himself a Lutheran because he still believed that Lutherans had the "fundamental doctrines" right, but mainly because he believed that Lutherans were right about the Real Presence of Christ in the Sacrament." Seems like a read something similar in a book somewhere.Scott Diekmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03227142854778319475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2978485750390455025.post-72755086690289443282010-03-25T00:01:44.476-04:002010-03-25T00:01:44.476-04:00My eyes are playing tricks on me again! I read &q...My eyes are playing tricks on me again! I read "fundamentalist view" in the second-last paragraph.<br /><br />You wrote, "fundamental view." <br /><br />It's one of my crusades. We hold such a wonderful distinction here and it gets hidden among mainline Protestant denominations. Sometimes I cant stop myself from proclaiming it!<br /><br />As for absorbing other traditions, I suppose it had to creep in somehow. If not through the pulpit, then through the membership.<br /><br />Off topic here, but "Pastoral Aides" sounds like something congregations make up so that women can serve a capacity previously held by men, such as elder or deacon.IggyAntiochushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04448305182789845259noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2978485750390455025.post-90193226307647509912010-03-24T23:40:51.704-04:002010-03-24T23:40:51.704-04:00Iggy,
You're touching upon the differing herm...Iggy,<br /><br />You're touching upon the differing hermeneutical (interpretive) approaches between Fuller and Wittenberg. What I'm saying is that both view the Bible as the inspired, inerrant, infallible Word of God (at least, officially, anyway). How that Word is interpreted - yeah, HUGE differences! <br /><br />As for my old pastor absorbing Millennialism, decision theology, or believer's baptism, the short answer is, "No." The long answer is that the practice he put into place did nothing to prevent those in the pew from absorbing these false teachings. The regular use of resources (books, videos, songs, etc.) written and produced by those who promote these false teachings lent itself well to having people adopt them as truth. Case in point: The woman who was appointed as the head "prayer warrior" in the congregation was an avid supporter of Jan and Paul Crouch and their "Trinity Broadcasting Network." A couple of "Pastoral Aides" (sort of like "elders") I served with were ardent fans of Hal Lindsey and Jack Van Impe, and so on.Rev. Thomas C. Messer, SSPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13740553600700598394noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2978485750390455025.post-78054483147631435262010-03-24T08:30:37.668-04:002010-03-24T08:30:37.668-04:00The problem with Fuller Theological's view of ...The problem with Fuller Theological's view of the Bible is precisely that they hold a "fundamentalist view."<br /><br />Rather than seeing the Bible as God's divine plan of salvation for his people or the means by which God comes to His people (a sacramental view), fundamentalists see the Bible as only a pattern or model for the Christian life.<br /><br />The sacramental view is filled with the bitterness of the Law and the sweetness of the Gospel. The fundamentalist view is overflowing with the Law and barely touches the Gospel.<br /><br />Just out of curiosity, did that Pastor from 20 years ago also absorb teachings like Millennialism, decision theology, or believer's baptism?IggyAntiochushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04448305182789845259noreply@blogger.com